Ce parere aveti , Dumnezeu exista sau nu ?

[Godless1859]

Cum ziceam:

5.Asta e marele tau argument?Tu crezi ca din nimic nu poate aparea ceva si astfel crezi ca exista o entitate supranaturala,care,ironic a aparut din nimic?

Existe 2 tipuri de "chestii" :

-logice

-ilogice

Ghici in care se incadreaza "the whole supernatural thing" ?

Crezi ca exista S.U.A.?

Probabil da cu tot sufletul, desi nu ai pus piciorul pe pamant american.

Acest lucru nu se numeste credinta?

Este o diferenta foarte mare in a crede intr-un lucru sustinut de 0 argumente si a crede intr-un alt lucru sustinut de aproape o infinitate de argumente.(existenta S.U.A.)

[Guest erifeek]

blk , sursa nu am . am dat atunci peste un blog si am gasit aia .

Povestioara e destul de interesanta , dar sunt unele propozitii lame rau ;d

[Guest Magnus]

3.Originile Universului sunt dincolo de capacitatile mintale ale noastre,din moment ce nu intelegem sau nu vrem sa intelegem Big Bangul ,asa ca haideti sa ne limitam la existenta sau inexistenta unei veverite spatiale magice ok?

4.nu discutam despre Big Bang,dar daca esti interesat dute la un profesor de fizica si intreaba-l,o sa iti explice ce si cum.

5.Asta e marele tau argument?Tu crezi ca din nimic nu poate aparea ceva si astfel crezi ca exista o entitate supranaturala,care,ironic a aparut din nimic?

aberezi prea mult . Fizica insa nu e atat de simpla pe cum o stii , cat despre exemplul inexplicabil

În 1935, împreună cu Boris Podolski şi Nathan Rosen, Einstein a publicat un document, cunoscut mai târziu sub numele Paradoxul Einstein - Podolski - Rosen[48], prin care se arăta că întregul formalism al mecanicii cuantice, împreună cu ceea ce ei au numit criteriul realităţii, implică faptul că teoria cuantică nu poate fi completă. Cu alte cuvinte, există zone ale realităţii care nu pot fi descrise de mecanica cuantică, concluzie care conduce la rezultate paradoxale.

Polemica a durat mulţi ani; de fapt Einstein s-a stins din viaţă fără să accepte teoria cuantică.

[Kabuky]

Cum ziceam:

Existe 2 tipuri de "chestii" :

-logice

-ilogice

Ghici in care se incadreaza "the whole supernatural thing" ?

Este ilogic pentru tine,datorita faptului ca nu vrei sa crezi in absolut nimic.

Uite aici schema reprezentata corect:

Exista o forta supraomeneasca care a creat totul?

-logic 50%

-ilogic 50%

Sa`ti spun de ce?Pentru ca niciuna dintre teoriile de mai sus nu este demonstrata asa ca noi ne sustinem fara argumente concrete alegerea.

[Godless1859]

A.Einstein era crestin nu? :) Ce urmeaza?Bill Gates este crestin si el nu?

Povestea aia este o alta minciuna cre(s)tinopata,creata pentru a indoctrina si mai mult populatia lipsita de materie cenusie.

Penibilitate la un nou nivel..uauuu.

Sursa este un blog de pe wordpress nu?

Again,recomanda "Himera credintei in Dumnezeu" de Richard Dawkins.

Aha deci o teorie incompleta este un fenomensupranatural..nu stiam

Desigur daca este incompleta nu inseamna ca este FALSA,ea fiind demonstrat de n experimente.

Va rog nu mai aberati si scoateti cifre din fund.Studieaza mai atent teoria probabilitatii si nu face aceeasi greseala ca si darth tyranus.

[Kabuky]

Aha deci o teorie incompleta este un fenomensupranatural..nu stiam

Desigur daca este incompleta nu inseamna ca este FALSA,ea fiind demonstrat de n experimente.

Sa`ti spun care este diferenta dintre noi 2.Eu imi sustin opinia ,dar accept ca nu poate fi adevarata,pe cand tu,fara argumente concrete ti`o susti pana in panzele albe.

[Guest Magnus]

Aha deci o teorie incompleta este un fenomensupranatural..nu stiam

Desigur daca este incompleta nu inseamna ca este FALSA,ea fiind demonstrat de n experimente.

Ca o terie sa fie completa trebuie sa le inlocuiasca pe toate celalte . Ceea ce pana acum nu s-a intamplat. "A.Einstein era crestin" ce legatura are asta cu totul? , si tu esti crestin pentru ca te-ai botezat . Asta insa nu te opreste sa gandesti si sa iti formezi o parere despre existenta lui dumnezeu.

[Godless1859]

Asa este nu am adus nici macar un argument..... #-o

Nu ,am FOST botezat.Ghici de ce?Nu am avut de ales.

[Kabuky]

Asa este nu am adus nici macar un argument..... #-o

Ai adus n argumente dar niciunul nu este concret ,cum Biblia nu este un argument concret al existentei lui Dumnezeu ,nici argumentele tale nu sunt mai bune decat argumentele Bibliei."Omul pana nu vede nu crede".

[Godless1859]

.poveste ilogica=n argumente logice ,demonstrate stintific,asta dupa parerea ta.Ai ajuns sa compari biblia cu stiinta,ceea ce este foarte grav.Si ma intrebi de ce nu la loc si de o a doua varianta,pai pentru ca nu exista o a doua varianta,din moment ce nu este sustinuta de nici macar UN(1) argument.

[blk]

Ai adus n argumente dar niciunul nu este concret ,cum Biblia nu este un argument concret al existentei lui Dumnezeu ,nici argumentele tale nu sunt mai bune decat argumentele Bibliei."Omul pana nu vede nu crede".

Ce inseamna concret pentru tine?

[Guest Magnus]

Asa este nu am adus nici macar un argument..... #-o

Nu ,am FOST botezat.Ghici de ce?Nu am avut de ales.

Si ce te face sa crezi ca Einstein a avut de ales la botez? El a ales doar sa creada in Dumnezeu , la fel cum tu ai ales sa nu .

[Kabuky]

Ce inseamna concret pentru tine?

Concret pentru mine este un terment asemanator celui de "dovedit".In cazul nostru nici existenta unui Dumnezeu,forta supraomeneasca(sau cum vreti sa o numiti) si nici inexistenta acestuia nu sunt dovedite.

[Godless1859]

Bai baiatule,deja ma enervezi.Incepi sa insulti mari savanti ai lumii.Einstein credea in dumnezeu?Asta este cea mai mare insulta adusa .

Kabuky ceva este dovedit de argumente.In cazul asta deja am dovedit ca nu exista o veverita spatiala.Ca tu consideri acele argumente fiind NEVALIDE,chiar daca sunt DEMONSTRATE si sunt CONCRETE asta este numai si numai parerea TA.

Citate celebre,A.Einstein sursele sunt in paranteza.

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) was a famous physicist who made several important discoveries, such as: explaining some puzzling features of the photoelectric effect by proposing that light energy is quantized, a notion hypothesized previously to explain different phenomena, for which he earned the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics; explaining Brownian motion as the result of being knocked about by colliding molecules; modifying Newtonian mechanics to fit it with Maxwellian electrodynamics, resulting in Special Relativity, which resolved some serious physical paradoxes; and explaining gravity as a result of space-time being curved, resulting in General Relativity. He continued from there to try to construct a Grand Unified Theory of all the physical interactions, but he did not succeed. In fairness, the task has proved extremely difficult.

He had been raised Jewish, "the religious son of irreligious parents", but he deconverted in childhood. He lived in Germany and Switzerland, fleeing for the United States of America when the Nazis rose to power. Once there, he helped convince President Roosevelt to work on a nuclear bomb, out of fear that Nazi Germany would build one first.

Quotes:

If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? [Albert Einstein, Out of My Later Years (New York: Philosophical Library, 1950), p. 27.]

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. [Albert Einstein]

I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. [Albert Einstein, as quoted in a memoir by Life editory William Miller in Life, May 2, 1955]

It has not done so up to now. [Einstein's reply to a reporter's question if religion will promote peace]

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. [Albert Einstein, Religion and Science, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930]

During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world... The idea of God in the religions taught at present is a sublimation of that old conception of the gods. Its anthropomorphic character is shown, for instance, by the fact that men appeal to the Divine Being in prayers and plead for the fulfillment of their wishes... In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vase power in the hands of priests. [Albert Einstein, reported in Science, Philosophy and Religion: A Symposium, edited by L. Bryson and L. Finkelstein. Quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief. by James Haught]

I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it. [Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press.]

The foundation of morality should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of sound judgment and action. [Albert Einstein]

I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiratation of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God. [Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press, p.66]

...a doctrine which is able to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests.... The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge. [Albert Einstein, address at the Princeton Theological Seminary, May 19, 1939, published in Out of My Later Years, New York: Philosophical Library, 1950.]

The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery-- even if mixed with fear -- that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds -- it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. [Albert Einstein,The World as I See It]

The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning. [Albert Einstein, letter of 5 February 1921]

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. [Albert Einstein,The World as I See It]

A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. [Albert Einstein]

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. [Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press]

What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism. [Albert Einstein]

Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being. [Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann]

I cannot believe that God plays dice with the cosmos. [Albert Einstein, published after his death in 1955 in the London Observer, 5 April 1964, on his problems with quantum mechanics and not, as popularly misinterpreted, an expression of religious belief.]

The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer become his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted, in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity itself. This is, to be sure a more difficult but an incomparably more worthy task... [Albert Einstein, Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A Symposium, published by the Conference on Science, Philosophy and Religion in Their Relation to the Democratic Way of Life, Inc., New York, 1941]

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms. [Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955]

The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them. [Albert Einstein, letter to Sigmund Freud, 30 July 1932]

I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet. [Albert Einstein, letter, 1954]

You will hardly find one among the profounder sort of scientific minds without a religious feeling of his own. But it is different from the religiosity of the naive man. For the latter, God is a being from whose care one hopes to benefit and whose punishment one fears; a sublimation of a feeling similar to that of a child for its father, a being to whom one stands, so to speak, in a personal relation, however deeply it may be tinged with awe.

But the scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation... There is nothing divine about morality; it is a purely human affair. His religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection... It is beyond question closely akin to that which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages. [Albert Einstein, Mein Weltbild, Amsterdam: Querido Verlag, 1934]

I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. [Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997]

I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being. [Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997]

The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. [Albert Einstein, letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946]

The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it. [Albert Einstein]

The religious feeling engendered by experiencing the logical comprehensibility of profound interrelations is of a somewhat different sort from the feeling that one usually calls religious. It is more a feeling of awe at the scheme that is manifested in the material universe. It does not lead us to take the step of fashioning a god-like being in our own image-a personage who makes demands of us and who takes an interest in us as individuals. There is in this neither a will nor a goal, nor a must, but only sheer being. For this reason, people of our type see in morality a purely human matter, albeit the most important in the human sphere. [Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press, pp 69-70]

[My] deep religiosity... found an abrupt ending at the age of twelve, through the reading of popular scientific books. [Albert Einstein, as quoted in Einstein, History, and Other Passions, p. 172]

It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence which is dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. [Albert Einstein, as quoted in Einstein, History, and Other Passions, p. 172]

The idea of a Being who interferes with the sequence of events in the world is absolutely impossible.[Albert Einstein]

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. The religion which based on experience, which refuses dogmatic. If there's any religion that would cope the scientific needs it will be Buddhism.... [Albert Einstein]

The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events... He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. [Albert Einstein, Ideas and Opinions]

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings. [Albert Einstein, in a letter to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein]

Acele citate sunt reale,au multe surse,carti scrise de el si diverse publicatii, spre deosebire de minciuna cre(s)tinopata. Cei mai mari si nesimtiti mincinosi. Einstein nu era atat de prost. Insa "studentul" descris de handicapatul mintal care a inventat minciuna e un dobitoc irational. Savarseste o serie lunga de erori de logica. Dupa IQ, cel mult 90. Si sunt generos aici. Einstein avea mult mai mult, si nu facea asemenea greseli.

Inca un citat:

Către sfârşitul vietii, într-o scrisoare adresată filozofului Eric Gutkind, marele fizician afirmă:

?Cuvântul dumnezeu nu este nimic altceva pentru mine decât expresia şi produsul slăbiciunii umane, Biblia este o colecţie de legende onorabile, dar primitive, care sunt, în orice caz, destul de copilăreşti. Niciun fel de interpretare, indiferent cât de subtilă, nu-mi poate schimba opinia"

[Kabuky]

Bai baiatule,deja ma enervezi.Incepi sa insulti mari savanti ai lumii.Einstein credea in dumnezeu?Asta este cea mai mare insulta adusa .

Hai ca ma faci rad .Daca Einstein nu credea intr`o forta care a creat totul inseamna ca cei care ii calca cuvantul sunt niste prosti ? O sa repet odata pentru utima data:Nu exista dovezi care sa aprobe sau nu existenta unei forte care a dat nastere universului(adica un Dumnezeu).

Kabuky ceva este dovedit de argumente.In cazul asta deja am dovedit ca nu exista o veverita spatiala.Ca tu consideri acele argumente fiind NEVALIDE,chiar daca sunt DEMONSTRATE si sunt CONCRETE asta este numai si numai parerea TA.

Si de`aici discutia noastra revine de unde a plecat. :)

[Guest Magnus]

Bai baiatule,deja ma enervezi.Incepi sa insulti mari savanti ai lumii.Einstein credea in dumnezeu?Asta este cea mai mare insulta adusa .

My bad , m-am exprimat gresit

Concepţiile religioase ale marelui savant sunt contradictorii.[27][28] Astfel, în 1929, Einstein îi mărturiseşte rabinului Herbert S. Goldstein (1890 - 1970) (militant pentru drepturile evreilor):

?Cred în acel Dumnezeu al lui Spinoza, care se manifestă prin armonia legilor universului, nu într-unul care se ocupă cu destinele şi faptele omenirii"[29]

Către sfârşitul vietii, într-o scrisoare adresată filozofului Eric Gutkind, marele fizician afirmă:

?Cuvântul dumnezeu nu este nimic altceva pentru mine decât expresia şi produsul slăbiciunii umane, Biblia este o colecţie de legende onorabile, dar primitive, care sunt, în orice caz, destul de copilăreşti. Niciun fel de interpretare, indiferent cât de subtilă, nu-mi poate schimba opinia".[30]

Religiozitatea nedefinită a marelui savant se referă mai degrabă la admiraţia pe care acesta o nutreşte faţă de structura unei lumi, care se revelează treptat cu ajutorul ştiinţei.[31] În 1926, într-o scrisoare adresată fizicianului Max Born, Einstein, referindu-se la principiul incertitudinii, scria: ?Sunt pe deplin convins că Dumnezeu nu se joacă cu zarurile".

?Dacă există ceva religios în mine, aceasta este admiraţia fără limite faţă de structura lumii atât cât ne-o poate dezvălui ştiinţa".

[blk]

Exista dovezi care infirma toate miracolele lui dzeu, creatia si toate cele.

Daca o forta a creat universul, numele nu este Dumnezeu, acesta e inventat de noi.

Daca o forta a creat universul, nu are personalitate, nu vrea rugaciuni, nu ne-a creat special pe noi.

Daca o forta a creat universul, nu vrea o biserica.

Pe masura ce ne apropiem de inceputurile creatiei observam un singur trend: unificare, simplificare.

Elementele devin din ce in ce mai putine, fortele sunt aproape unificate.. o sa ajungem la un singur motiv, o singura forta, un singur element. Ceva simplu de la care a plecat totul.

Acel ceva este IMPERATIV SIMPLU. Acel ceva nu are cum sa fie complex. Nu are cum sa fie "apa" inainte sa existe Hidrogenul si Oxigenul.

Forta care a creat universul trebuie sa fie impersonala, simpla, unica. A numi acest lucru Dumnezeu e o chestie de preferinte din moment ce nu se poate spune daca are viata sau nu.. pur si simplu.. este.

[Kabuky]

Exista dovezi care infirma toate miracolele lui dzeu, creatia si toate cele.

Daca o forta a creat universul, numele nu este Dumnezeu, acesta e inventat de noi.

Daca o forta a creat universul, nu are personalitate, nu vrea rugaciuni, nu ne-a creat special pe noi.

Daca o forta a creat universul, nu vrea o biserica.

Pe masura ce ne apropiem de inceputurile creatiei observam un singur trend: unificare, simplificare.

Elementele devin din ce in ce mai putine, fortele sunt aproape unificate.. o sa ajungem la un singur motiv, o singura forta, un singur element. Ceva simplu de la care a plecat totul.

Acel ceva este IMPERATIV SIMPLU. Acel ceva nu are cum sa fie complex. Nu are cum sa fie "apa" inainte sa existe Hidrogenul si Oxigenul.

Forta care a creat universul trebuie sa fie impersonala, simpla, unica. A numi acest lucru Dumnezeu e o chestie de preferinte din moment ce nu se poate spune daca are viata sau nu.. pur si simplu.. este.

Exact asta incerc sa spun si eu aici,ca exista o forta pe care noi o numim Dumnezeu,o forta care a dat nastere la tot ceea ce exista.

[Godless1859]

Voi nu stiti ce este aceea o forta.

Daca nu intelegeti o forta nu inseama ca e ceva magic.

Einstein era ateu.Mai citeste ce mi-ai citat tu acolo si poate intelegi.

Again,DUMNEZEU=ZEUL IUDEO CRETIN,NU O FORTA.

O forta este ceva pur fizic,nu are legatura cu dumnezeu.Mai multe forte au dat nastere la Univers.

Pentru voi forta=entitate,FALS.O forta nu gandeste,nu creeaza ceva ca asa vrea ea,nu are vointa.

ai folosit prea mult cre(s)tin ca sa te cred ca e un typo acolo

e fumata gluma, uit-o.

warn up

Edited May 11, 2010 by blk

[Kabuky]

Voi nu stiti ce este aceea o forta.

Daca nu intelegeti o forta nu inseama ca e ceva magic.

Again,DUMNEZEU=ZEUL IUDEO CRETIN,NU O FORTA.

Deci,sa fiu mai explicit :Eu nu sustin existenta lui Dumnezeu ,sustin existenta unei forte ,o forta pe care noi o numim DUMNEZEU.Nu am spus nicaieri ca,cred in minunile si citatele din Biblie sau in mai stiu eu ce icoane facatoare de minuni,am spus doar ca eu ,cred intr`o forta care a creat totul.

[Godless1859]

Si eu cred ca mai multe forte au creat totul,dar nu le personific.

[SpAnCHoC]

Voi nu stiti ce este aceea o forta.

Daca nu intelegeti o forta nu inseama ca e ceva magic.

Einstein era ateu.Mai citeste ce mi-ai citat tu acolo si poate intelegi.

Again,DUMNEZEU=ZEUL IUDEO CRETIN,NU O FORTA.

O forta este ceva pur fizic,nu are legatura cu dumnezeu.Mai multe forte au dat nastere la Univers.

Pentru voi forta=entitate,FALS.O forta nu gandeste,nu creeaza ceva ca asa vrea ea,nu are vointa.

CRETINA-i MATA care tea facut!

ce tare ar fi sa luam o pauza de 45 zile

ne vedem prin iulie

Edited May 11, 2010 by blk

[a1urea]

Aha deci o teorie incompleta este un fenomensupranatural..nu stiam

Desigur daca este incompleta nu inseamna ca este FALSA,ea fiind demonstrat de n experimente.

Va rog nu mai aberati si scoateti cifre din fund.Studieaza mai atent teoria probabilitatii si nu face aceeasi greseala ca si darth tyranus.

Auzi maestre, vezi ca teoria probabilitatii se leaga strans de efectul de observator. Masuratorile alea subtile si abstracte pe care incerci sa le extragi, sa le delimitezi, efectul aripii de fluture, teoria haosului si dependenta senzitiva de conditiile initiale, toate prostioarele astea cu tenta masochista, se leaga intre ele intr-un mod atat de subtil incat unui semi doct ca 'mneata i-ar fi ft usor sa pice in capcana propriei ratiuni. Ceea ce si se intampla din punctul meu de vedere ca observator sau al aluia sau al aluia sau al altuia. Stii cum te comporti acum ? Exact ca un peste intr-o piscina plina de amidon de porumb. Te joci cu subtilitatile si delimitarile rafinate de parca ai fi dirijorul unei orchestre in dezacord total. Si daca te plesneste teoria probabilitatii peste ochi cu viteza relativa a cometei Halley, ai sa constati ca Dumnezeu are sanse de 50% sa existe sau nu, doctore. Am dreptate sau nu ? Mai coboara din paradisul motorului de cautare Google, mai priveste si la noi muritorii de rand, sau daca nu la noi, uita-te in spatele matale, la lungul drum milenar al omenirii, si invata dracului in Doamne iarta-ma ce-i aia astroarheologie. Cu o probabilitate de 100% iti spun ca te agiti degeaba. Care-ar fi probabilitatile ca 'mneata sa vorbesti mult si prost care este ?

[Diabolik_01]

Ghici in care se incadreaza "the whole supernatural thing" ?

Este o diferenta foarte mare in a crede intr-un lucru sustinut de 0 argumente si a crede intr-un alt lucru sustinut de aproape o infinitate de argumente.(existenta S.U.A.)

ok teoria este sustinuta de 1 miliard de argumente, totusi cum poti crede in ceva ce nu ai vazut cu ochii tai?Nu asta este principalul "tel" a ateilor? cred in ceea ce vad? Eu daca as paria in acest moment 1 mil. de $ ca SUA nu exista probabil tu mi-ai accepta pariul chiar daca nu ai vazut-o cu ochii tai niciodata.

[Thora!]

Again,DUMNEZEU=ZEUL IUDEO CRETIN,NU O FORTA

Tu fiind cine?... ca sa emiti axiome din astea...

Btw... aici ti-ai luat-o subtire rau la faza cu referiri la originile tale materne... as vrea sa te vad explicandu-i in fata unui musulman cum ALLAH = ZEU IUDEO-CRE(S)TIN...

Voi nu stiti ce este aceea o forta.

Iar orizontul tau se termina odata cu Dex ul. Eventual ala online.