Orientari politice si ideologice

[eugen88]

s pe cand fascistii nu sunt antisemiti, ci duc nationalismul pana la extrema.

Zau? Hitler e mic copil pe langa Mussolini. Ba chiar il considera pe Hitler prea sensibil. Chiari Mussolini spunea :"Sunt rasist din 1921. Nu ştiu cum se pot gândi că îl imit pe Hitler, când el nu era nici măcar născut pe atunci.Evreii trebuie raşi de pe faţa pământului, masacraţi, nu au nici un fel de gratitudine, ba chiar au impresia că avem nevoie de ei, de banii lor, de ajutorul lor".

[Razvan]

Zau? Hitler e mic copil pe langa Mussolini. Ba chiar il considera pe Hitler prea sensibil. Chiari Mussolini spunea :"Sunt rasist din 1921. Nu ştiu cum se pot gândi că îl imit pe Hitler, când el nu era nici măcar născut pe atunci.Evreii trebuie raşi de pe faţa pământului, masacraţi, nu au nici un fel de gratitudine, ba chiar au impresia că avem nevoie de ei, de banii lor, de ajutorul lor".

eu chiar stiam ca nazistii au ca si "caracteristica" antisemitismul. in fine, lasa un nume de carte sa ma documentez si eu te rog

[eugen88]

eu chiar stiam ca nazistii au ca si "caracteristica" antisemitismul. in fine, lasa un nume de carte sa ma documentez si eu te rog

Sa te documentezi despre ce mai exact? Poate iti recomand o carte sau un documentar

[Razvan]

Sa te documentezi despre ce mai exact? Poate iti recomand o carte sau un documentar

despre orientarile antisemite ale lui mussolini. ti-am mai zis, nu mai auzisem varianta asta pana acum

[eugen88]

despre orientarile antisemite ale lui mussolini. ti-am mai zis, nu mai auzisem varianta asta pana acum

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091116/ap_on_...ecret_mussolini

Daca vrei o carte iti recomand "Istoria ilustrata a fascismului"

Mai multe despre facism

Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of?Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.

1. Like every sound political conception, Fascism is both practice and thought; action in which a doctrine is immanent, and a doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historical forces, remains embedded in them and works there from within. . . . There is no concept of the State which is not fundamentally a concept of life; philosophy or intuition, a system of ideas which develops logically or is gathered up into a vision or into a faith, but which is always, at least virtually, an organic conception of the world.

2. Thus Fascism could not be understood in many of its practical manifestations as a party organization, as a system of education, as a discipline, if it were not always looked at in the light of its whole way of conceiving life, a spiritualized way. The world see through Fascism is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all others and standing by himself. . . . The man of Fascism is an individual who is nation and fatherland, which is a moral law, binding together individuals and the generations into a tradition and a mission, suppressing the instinct for a life enclosed within the brief round of pleasure in order to restore within duty a higher life free from the limits of time and space; a life in which the individual, through the denial of himself, through the sacrifice of his own private interests, through death itself, realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.

3. Therefore it is a spiritualized conception, itself the result of the general reaction of modern times against the flabby materialistic positivism of the nineteenth century. . . . Fascism desires an active man, one engaged in activity with all his energies: it desires a man conscious of the difficulties that exist in action and ready to face them. It conceives of life as a struggle, considering that it behooves man to conquer for himself that life truly worthy of him, creating first of all in himself the instrument (physical, moral, intellectual) in order to construct it. Thus for the single individual, thus for the nation, thus for humanity. . . .

4. This positive conception of life is clearly an ethical conception. It covers the whole of reality, not merely the human activity which controls it. No action can be divorced from moral judgment; there is nothing in the world which can be deprived of the value which belongs to everything in its relation to moral ends. Life, therefore, as conceived by the Fascist, is serious, austere, religious: the whole of it is poised in a world supported by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "comfortable" life.

5. Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership in a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.

6. Fascism is a historical conception, in which man is what he is only in so far as he works with the spiritual process in which he finds himself, in the family or social group, in the nation and in the history in which all nations collaborate. From this follows the great value of tradition, in memories, in language, in customs, in the standards of social life. Outside history man is nothing. Consequently Fascism is opposed to all the individualistic abstractions of a materialistic nature like those of the eighteenth century; and it is opposed to all Jacobin utopias and innovations. It does not consider that "happiness" is possible upon earth, as it appeared to be in the desire of the economic literature of the eighteenth century, and hence it rejects all theological theories according to which mankind would reach a definitive stabilized condition at a certain period in history. . . .

7. Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence. It is opposed to classical Liberalism, which arose form the necessity of reacting against absolutism, and which brought its historical purpose to an end when the State was transformed into the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the interests of the particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the true reality of the individual. And if liberty is to be the attribute of the real man, and not of that abstract puppet envisaged by individualistic Liberalism, Fascism is for liberty. And for the only liberty which can be a real thing, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. Therefore, for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value, outside the State. In this sense Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State, the synthesis and unity of all values, interprets, develops and gives strength to the whole life of the people.

8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. . . .

9. Individuals form classes according to the similarity of their interests, they form syndicates according to differentiated economic activities within these interests; but they form first, and above all, the State, which is not to be thought of numerically as the sum-total of individuals forming the majority of the nation. And consequently Fascism is opposed to Democracy, which equates the nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of that majority. . . .

10. It is not the nation that generates the State, as according to the old naturalistic concept which served as the basis of the political theories of the national States of the nineteenth century. Rather the nation is created by the State, which gives to the people, conscious of its own moral unity, a will and therefore an effective existence. . . .

11. The nation as the State is an ethical reality which exists and lives in so far as it develops. To arrest its development is to kill it. Therefore the State is not only the authority which governs and gives the form of laws and the value of spiritual life to the wills of individuals, but it is also a power that makes its will felt abroad, making it known and respected, in other words, demonstrating the fact of its universality in all the necessary directions of its development. It is consequently organization and expansion, at least virtually. Thus it can be likened to the human will which knows no limits to its development and realizes itself in testing its own limitlessness.

12. The Fascist State, the highest and most powerful form of personality, is a force, but a spiritual force, which takes over all the forms of the moral and intellectual life of man. . . . It is the form, the inner standard and the discipline of the whole person; it saturates the will as well as the intelligence. Its principle, the central inspiration of the human personality living in the civil community, pierces into the depths and makes its home in the heart of the man of action as well as of the thinker, of the artist as well as of the scientist: it is the soul of the soul.

13. Fascism, in short, is not only the giver of laws and the founder of institutions, but the educator and promoter of spiritual life. It wants to remake, not the forms of human life, but its content, man, character, faith. And to this end it requires discipline and authority that can enter into the spirits of men and there govern unopposed. Its sign, therefore, is the Lictors' rods, the symbol of unity, of strength and justice.

(ii) Political and Social Doctrine

1. . . . Fascism was not given out to the wet nurse of a doctrine elaborated beforehand round a table: it was born of the need for action; it was not a party, but in its first two years it was a movement against all parties. The name which I gave to the organization defined its characteristics. Nevertheless, whoever rereads, in the now crumpled pages of the time, the account of the constituent assembly of the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento will not find a doctrine, but a series of suggestions, of anticipations, of admonitions, which when freed from the inevitable vein of contingency, were destined later, after a few years, to develop into a series of doctrinal attitudes which made of Fascism a self-sufficient political doctrine able to face all others, both past and present. . . .

2. . . . Fascism is today clearly defined not only as a regime but as a doctrine. And I mean by this that Fascism today, self-critical as well as critical of other movements, has an unequivocal point of view of its own, a criterion, and hence an aim, in face of all the material and intellectual problems which oppress the people of the world.

3. Above all, Fascism, in so far as it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from the political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor in the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. war alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put a man in front of himself in the alternative of life and death. . . .

6. After Socialism, Fascism attacks the whole complex of democratic ideologies and rejects them both in their theoretical premises and in their applications or practical manifestations. fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, van rule human societies; it denies that this majority can govern by means of a periodical consultation; it affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men, who cannot be leveled by such a mechanical and extrinsic fact as universal suffrage. . . . Democracy is a regime without a king, but with very many kings, perhaps more exclusive, tyrannical and violent than one king even though a tyrant. . . .

9. . . . The theory of Fascist authority has nothing to do with the police State. A party that governs a nation in a totalitarian way is a new fact in history. References and comparisons are not possible. Fascism takes over from the ruins of Liberal Socialistic democratic doctrines those elements which still have a living value. It preserves those that can be called the established facts of history, it rejects all the rest, that is to say the idea of a doctrine which holds good for all times and all peoples. If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century. If the nineteenth was the century of the individual it may be expected that this one may be the century of "collectivism" and therefore the century of the State. . . . The doctrine itself, therefore, must be, not words, but an act of life. hence, the pragmatic veins in Fascism, its will to power, its will to be, its attitude in the face of the fact of "violence" and of its own courage.

11. . . . In the Fascist State the individual is not suppressed, but rather multiplied, just as in a regiment a soldier is not weakened but multiplied by the number of his comrades. The Fascist State organizes the nation, but it leaves sufficient scope to individuals; it has limited useless or harmful liberties and has preserved those that are essential. It cannot be the individual who decides in this matter, but only the State.

12. The Fascist State does not remain indifferent to the fact of religion in general and to that particular positive religion which is Italian Catholicism. The State has no theology, but it has an ethic. . . . The Fascist State does not create a "God" of its own, as Robespierre once, at the height of the Convention's foolishness, wished to do; nor does it vainly seek, like Bolshevism, to expel religion from the minds of men. Fascism respects the God of the ascetics, of the saints, of the heroes, and also God as seen and prayed to by the simple and primitive heart of the people.

13. The Fascist State is a will to power and to government. In it the tradition of Rome is an idea that has force. In the doctrine of Fascism Empire is not only a territorial, military or mercantile expression, but spiritual or moral. Once can think of an empire, that is to say a nation that directly or indirectly leads other nations, without needing to conquer a single square kilometer of territory. For Fascism the tendency to Empire, that is to say, to the expansion of nations, is a manifestation of vitality; its opposite, staying at home, is a sign of decadence: peoples who rise or re-rise are imperialist, people who die are renunciatory. Fascism is the doctrine that is most fitted to represent the aims, the states of mind, of a people, like the Italian people, rising again after many centuries of abandonment of slavery to foreigners. . . . If every age has its own doctrine, it is apparent from a thousand signs that the doctrine of the present age is Fascism. That is is a doctrine of life is shown by the fact that it has resuscitated a faith. That this faith has conquered minds is proved by the fact that Fascism has had its dead and its martyrs.

[source: Michael Oakeshott, The Social and Political Doctrines of Contemporary Europe (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1939), in Carl Cohen, ed., Communism, Fascism and Democracy: The Theoretical Foundations 2nd. ed. (New York: Random House, 1972), pp.328-339.]

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The Ten Commandments of the Italian solider under Mussolini provide the essence of the philosophy of fascism. The following two versions of these commandments constitute one of the best examples of the way in which a political philosophy may be translated into maxims of individual conduct.

The Fascist Decalogue

(i)

1. Know that the Fascist and in particular the soldier, must not believe in perpetual peace.

2. Days of imprisonment are always deserved.

3. The nation serves even as a sentinel over a can of petrol.

4. A companion must be a brother, first, because he lives with you, and secondly because he thinks like you.

5. The rifle and the cartridge belt, and the rest, are confided to you not to rust in leisure, but to be preserved in war.

6. Do not ever say "The Government will pay . . . " because it is you who pay; and the Government is that which you willed to have, and for which you put on a uniform.

7. Discipline is the soul of armies; without it there are no soldiers, only confusion and defeat.

8. Mussolini is always right.

9. For a volunteer there are no extenuating circumstances when he is disobedient.

10. One thing must be dear to you above all: the life of the Duce.

(1934)

(ii)

1. Remember that those who fell for the revolution and for the empire march at the head of your columns.

2. Your comrade is your brother. He lives with you, thinks with you, and is at your side in the battle.

3. Service to Italy can be rendered at all times, in all places, and by every means. It can be paid with toil and also with blood.

4. The enemy of Fascism is your enemy. Give him no quarter.

5. Discipline is the sunshine of armies. It prepares and illuminates the victory.

6. He who advances to the attack with decision has victory already in his grasp.

7. Conscious and complete obedience is the virtue of the Legionary.

8. There do not exist things important and things unimportant. There is only duty.

9. The Fascist revolution has depended in the past and still depends on the bayonets of its Legionaries.

10. Mussolini is always right.

(1938)

Lectura placuta!

[Dirlewanger]

Europa este continent fascist in devenire...just wait

[Whiplash]

Europa este continent fascist in devenire...just wait

Daca te referi la fascismul din acceptiunea generala, da. Dar cred ca va fi mai degraba un regim dictatorial al elitei financiare.

Daca ar fi sa aleg un regim politic la care sa ma afiliez ar fi fascismul(care la baza a aparut in Italia), cu tot cu variatiile lui(nazism, falangism, legionarism etc.). De ce? pentru ca democratia este incapabila de autoritate si implicit inaplicabila in lipsa unui consens din partea tuturor spre a-i respecta regulile.

[Dani]

daca unii dintre voi sunteti nazisti/fascisti/rasisti si orice altfel de orientare politica ciudata ar trebui sa o tineti pentru voi..

de ce? pentru ca unii copii chiar cred ce spuneti..

@democratie.. dar nu democratia din ziua de azi..

p.s. Lance te rog sa inchizi topicul ca o sa se ajunga la flame-uri..

[Razvan]

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daca unii dintre voi sunteti nazisti/fascisti/rasisti si orice altfel de orientare politica ciudata ar trebui sa o tineti pentru voi..

de ce? pentru ca unii copii chiar cred ce spuneti..

subscriu.. in plus eu bat la pariu ca nimeni nu ar vrea sa traiasca intr-un regim autoritar.. doar ii surade ideea, ceea ce e o mare diferenta

@ty eugen for infos

ps:

http://www.survivors-romania.org/index.php?language=english

[Whiplash]

@baietii de mai sus, sa inteleg ca voi sunteti democrati convinsi? [/joke] Atunci cum ramane cu partea aia cu exprimarea libera? Ah, stai. O folosim doar cand ne serveste intereselor. Restul cazurilor sunt exceptii. Va invit sa studiati istorie si din alte surse decat filmele despre eroismul american din WWII.

Fara nicio suparare, dar sustineti un mis-mas de principii contradictorii din care nu puteti iesi din cauza corectitudinii politice.

E frumos sa crezi in democratie cam pana pe la 14 ani si in faptul ca sistemul functioneaza. :) Si asta e o parere strict personala. Asta ma face vreun fel de militant? din nou, cum am zis mai sus.

[Razvan]

@baietii de mai sus, sa inteleg ca voi sunteti democrati convinsi? [/joke] Atunci cum ramane cu partea aia cu exprimarea libera? Ah, stai. O folosim doar cand ne serveste intereselor. Restul cazurilor sunt exceptii. Va invit sa studiati istorie si din alte surse decat filmele despre eroismul american din WWII.

Fara nicio suparare, dar sustineti un mis-mas de principii contradictorii din care nu puteti iesi din cauza corectitudinii politice.

E frumos sa crezi in democratie cam pana pe la 14 ani si in faptul ca sistemul functioneaza. :) Si asta e o parere strict personala. Asta ma face vreun fel de militant? din nou, cum am zis mai sus.

am zis eu ca sunt democrat sau ca democratia functioneaza? dar tu te gandesti ce inseamna sa traiesti intr-un stat totalitar? de ce sunt eu nevoit sa traiesc asa cum imi impui tu mie, doar pentru ca ma nasc pe teritoriul tau? eu traiesc cum vreau, ma descurc cum pot, nu-mi impui tu nimic - in limita bunului simt bineinteles.

politica nu are decat doua aspecte, cel de utopie si cel de mizerie

[Dirlewanger]

' date='Dec 10 2009, 21:17' post='4501330']

daca unii dintre voi sunteti nazisti/fascisti/rasisti si orice altfel de orientare politica ciudata ar trebui sa o tineti pentru voi..

de ce? pentru ca unii copii chiar cred ce spuneti..

@democratie.. dar nu democratia din ziua de azi..

p.s. Lance te rog sa inchizi topicul ca o sa se ajunga la flame-uri..

Dar de care democratie vrei tu mai motanel?

Stii ce devine Europa incet incet? Un continent cu mentalitate fascista si ateista care in mai putin de 20 de ani va ajunge sa persecuteze liber si legal minoritatile de orice tip.Mark my words.Deja curentul este in miscare.Va fi un continent nationalist,intolerant si puritan.Deabia astept sa vad ce alte legi vor urma. Cate una, cate doua...ieri burqa si mineratelor musulmanilor,azi hijabul etc etc. Ce tare

[Dani]

Dar de care democratie vrei tu mai motanel?

Stii ce devine Europa incet incet? Un continent cu mentalitate fascista si ateista care in mai putin de 20 de ani va ajunge sa persecuteze liber si legal minoritatile de orice tip.Mark my words.Deja curentul este in miscare.Va fi un continent nationalist,intolerant si puritan.Deabia astept sa vad ce alte legi vor urma. Cate una, cate doua...ieri burqa si mineratelor musulmanilor,azi hijabul etc etc. Ce tare

asteapta si viseaza frumos ca doar cu ele vei ramane

[eugen88]

' date='Dec 10 2009, 22:30' post='4501662']

asteapta si viseaza frumos ca doar cu ele vei ramane

Noi asteptam! Abia astept...... In fiecare tara din UE partidele nationalistele cresc in sondaje. Olandezii si elvetienii au interzis mineratele musulmanilor,francezii au interzis cearsafurile musulmanilor,germania expluzeaza imigrantii ilegali etc etc.

[Dani]

@baietii de mai sus, sa inteleg ca voi sunteti democrati convinsi? [/joke] Atunci cum ramane cu partea aia cu exprimarea libera? Ah, stai. O folosim doar cand ne serveste intereselor. Restul cazurilor sunt exceptii. Va invit sa studiati istorie si din alte surse decat filmele despre eroismul american din WWII.

Fara nicio suparare, dar sustineti un mis-mas de principii contradictorii din care nu puteti iesi din cauza corectitudinii politice.

E frumos sa crezi in democratie cam pana pe la 14 ani si in faptul ca sistemul functioneaza. :) Si asta e o parere strict personala. Asta ma face vreun fel de militant? din nou, cum am zis mai sus.

eu ma exprim liber.. cine a zis ca nu? nimeni n-o sa-mi zica niciodata ce sa fac fara sa-mi explice pentru si de ce ar fi bine sa fac acel lucru.. daca ai facut bani si ai avut succes in domeniul care ma intereseaza te voi asculta cu placere.. doi la mana, eu lucrez pentru familia mea si pentru liberatatea mea nu pentru un patron ca multi dintre voi.. deci cade clar faza cu dictatura..

n-are nici o legatura subiectul cu filmele americane.. daca esti destept iti dai seama cu ce scop s-a facut un film..

p.s. nu ne compara pe noi cu politicienii.. pe mine cel putin nu ma afecteaza ce se intampla in politica..

Noi asteptam! Abia astept...... In fiecare tara din UE partidele nationalistele cresc in sondaje. Olandezii si elvetienii au interzis mineratele musulmanilor,francezii au interzis cearsafurile musulmanilor,germania expluzeaza imigrantii ilegali etc etc.

eu am impresia ca nu stii ce inseamna nazism.. din cate stiu eu nemtii nazisti aveau ceva cu tot ce inseamna asiatici, negri, evrei samd.. nu doar cu imigranti sau musulmani.. ca sa se intample acest lucru trebuie sa treaca peste milioane de cadavre..

p.s. cat despre ateism si satanism, pe astea chiar le "prindeti" din filme..

[Dirlewanger]

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eu am impresia ca nu stii ce inseamna nazism.. din cate stiu eu nemtii nazisti aveau ceva cu tot ce inseamna asiatici, negri, evrei samd.. nu doar cu imigranti sau musulmani.. ca sa se intample acest lucru trebuie sa treaca peste milioane de cadavre..

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HAHAHAHAH ce faza tare hihihihi Si eugen ce a zis prietene?Eu zic sa te exprimi liber in alta parte.

Apropo: Nu trebuie sa treaca nimeni peste milioane de cadavre. Legile europene si albii europeni o sa ii discrimineze pe non albi pana acestia vor pleca de unde au venit. Simplu si usor! Chiar lincoln avea un plan de recolonizare pentru negrii.

[Dani]

HAHAHAHAH ce faza tare hihihihi Si eugen ce a zis prietene?Eu zic sa te exprimi liber in alta parte.

Apropo: Nu trebuie sa treaca nimeni peste milioane de cadavre. Legile europene si albii europeni o sa ii discrimineze pe non albi pana acestia vor pleca de unde au venit. Simplu si usor! Chiar lincoln avea un plan de recolonizare pentru negrii.

cum ziceam.. viseaza cu ochii deschisi in continuare.. doar sa nu fii dezamagit :P

[Phyxyon]

Dar de care democratie vrei tu mai motanel?

Stii ce devine Europa incet incet? Un continent cu mentalitate fascista si ateista care in mai putin de 20 de ani va ajunge sa persecuteze liber si legal minoritatile de orice tip.Mark my words.Deja curentul este in miscare.Va fi un continent nationalist,intolerant si puritan.Deabia astept sa vad ce alte legi vor urma. Cate una, cate doua...ieri burqa si mineratelor musulmanilor,azi hijabul etc etc. Ce tare

Poti sa visezi linistiti ori sa realizezi un film sau ceva de genul ca in realitate nu prea vad asta in urmatorii 100 de ani doar sa se intample ceva cu totul neasteptat .

Negrii devin majoritari in SUA , musulmanii la fel majoritari in Rusia si tu mai visezi la fascism si ateism in Europa deja cred ca fumai ceva suspect cand ai facut posturile astea .

In primul rand , chiar daca o iau putin pe alaturi , ateismul nu va fi niciodata majoritar caci omul prost fiind vrea si el macar sa se bazeze pe o forta 'superioara , mistica , divina' care sa-l ghideze in viata ca el se considera prea mic atat fizic cat si psihic sa se descurce singur in viata . Omul fara reguli e cel mai periculos animal de pe Pamant iar rolul religiei a fost de a forma o societate civilizata , ok totul e bine insa asta era pentru acum cateva milenii , nu te mai poti baza acum pe religie cand extrem de multe fapte nu mai sunt de domeniul fantasticului ci apartin stiintei si sunt explicate logic .

In al doilea rand . Sunt foarte putini care vor recunoaste ca sunt fascisti sau nazisti in mare parte din cauza societatii . Cel putin 90% din populatie se ghideaza dupa societate , regulile ei si obiceiuri . Si inca ceva o societate o poti priva ca orice de la un grup de prieteni si colegi pana la o natiune intreaga .

Va dau un exemplu foarte dezbatut in societatea contemporana . Homosexualitatea . De ce nu e acceptata ? Toti zic ca e anormala o relatie intre 2 persoane de acelasi sex. Ce e normal ? Cum definesti normalul? Cum definesti dragostea? Cum definesti binele si raul? Deja incep sa-mi impart fliocii in 4 insa cat timp vom trai intr-o societate inchisa la minte si lasa niciodata nu vei vedea astfel de ideologii puse in practica .

[Dirlewanger]

Poti sa visezi linistiti ori sa realizezi un film sau ceva de genul ca in realitate nu prea vad asta in urmatorii 100 de ani doar sa se intample ceva cu totul neasteptat .

Negrii devin majoritari in SUA , musulmanii la fel majoritari in Rusia si tu mai visezi la fascism si ateism in Europa deja cred ca fumai ceva suspect cand ai facut posturile astea .

In primul rand , chiar daca o iau putin pe alaturi , ateismul nu va fi niciodata majoritar caci omul prost fiind vrea si el macar sa se bazeze pe o forta 'superioara , mistica , divina' care sa-l ghideze in viata ca el se considera prea mic atat fizic cat si psihic sa se descurce singur in viata . Omul fara reguli e cel mai periculos animal de pe Pamant iar rolul religiei a fost de a forma o societate civilizata , ok totul e bine insa asta era pentru acum cateva milenii , nu te mai poti baza acum pe religie cand extrem de multe fapte nu mai sunt de domeniul fantasticului ci apartin stiintei si sunt explicate logic .

In al doilea rand . Sunt foarte putini care vor recunoaste ca sunt fascisti sau nazisti in mare parte din cauza societatii . Cel putin 90% din populatie se ghideaza dupa societate , regulile ei si obiceiuri . Si inca ceva o societate o poti priva ca orice de la un grup de prieteni si colegi pana la o natiune intreaga .

Va dau un exemplu foarte dezbatut in societatea contemporana . Homosexualitatea . De ce nu e acceptata ? Toti zic ca e anormala o relatie intre 2 persoane de acelasi sex. Ce e normal ? Cum definesti normalul? Cum definesti dragostea? Cum definesti binele si raul? Deja incep sa-mi impart fliocii in 4 insa cat timp vom trai intr-o societate inchisa la minte si lasa niciodata nu vei vedea astfel de ideologii puse in practica .

Numai compara SUA cu Europa pentru ca e o alta mancare de peste. Americanii nu au o istorie pentru care sa lupte.Aia s-au nascut cu "drepturile minoritatilor" si aburerile democratice dintodeauna (poate nu de la inceput dar pe acolo) .Pe cand Europenii au o istorie mareata pe care o respecta,mai ales englezii. Daca tu crezi ca europeanii o sa stea ca fraierii sa fie carditi de niste terchea berchea ca musulmanii somn usor phyxyon

edit: Sa iti spun de ce democratie pute si cum e cu religia:

Uita de ex. Constitutia Romaniei iti da dreptul sa te manifesti in orice mod. In scris, prin vorbire, zgomote, etc. Desigur un drept...democratic dar pentru care iti trebuie...AUTORIZATIE!!!!

Prin urmare esti cit se poate de..."liber"!!!!

Pe de alta parte nici eu nu sint de acord cu fundamentalismul religios impins spre absurd, gen batic sau costum.

Si cred ca sistemul "democratic" impus de papusarii lumii tinde tot spre internationalism, unde valorile umane idividuale vor fi sterse DEFINITIV.

Asta putem numi...LIBERTATE?!!

[Mehico]

Daca ar fi sa aleg un regim politic la care sa ma afiliez ar fi fascismul(care la baza a aparut in Italia), cu tot cu variatiile lui(nazism, falangism, legionarism etc.). De ce? pentru ca democratia este incapabila de autoritate si implicit inaplicabila in lipsa unui consens din partea tuturor spre a-i respecta regulile.

O alegere nu se justifica prin faptul ca o alta nu e buna.

Am stat putin sa inteleg ce vrei sa zici prin faptul ca un regim politic este incapabil de autoritate si partea aia cu nerespectarea regulilor. Un stat se constituie pe baza unui regim juridic si a unor principii. Daca te uiti in Constitutie vei gasi ca Romania este o tara democratica, dar nu vei gasi in niciun act juridic vreo explicatie concreta asupra ce inseamna asta, ci doar ca unele drepturi si libertati sunt garantate. Principiul separatiei puterii in stat a fost impus special ca autoritatile publice sa nu-si poata exercita in mod abuziv puterile asupra populatiei de pe teritoriu. Fascismul ca regim politic impune o anumita dictatura din partea autoritatilor ceea ce nu cred ca i-ar conveni cuiva sa fie abuzat. Iar promovarea ideilor nationaliste, in masura in care Romania e parte a Uniunii Europene (unde se asteapta la o colaborare economica, sociala si politica intre tarile membre) nu e deloc favorabila.

Noi asteptam! Abia astept...... In fiecare tara din UE partidele nationalistele cresc in sondaje. Olandezii si elvetienii au interzis mineratele musulmanilor,francezii au interzis cearsafurile musulmanilor,germania expluzeaza imigrantii ilegali etc etc.

Orice tara expulzeaza imigrantii ilegali ori carora le-a expirat viza de sedere

Intrebare despre libertate pt. Dirlewanger: unde mai e libertatea mea in conditiile in care libertatea ta intervine peste a mea? Cred ca e inteleasa gresit ideea de libertate. ps. n-am inteles exemplul tau, e prea general formulat

[gimgim]

O alegere nu se justifica prin faptul ca o alta nu e buna.

Am stat putin sa inteleg ce vrei sa zici prin faptul ca un regim politic este incapabil de autoritate si partea aia cu nerespectarea regulilor. Un stat se constituie pe baza unui regim juridic si a unor principii. Daca te uiti in Constitutie vei gasi ca Romania este o tara democratica, dar nu vei gasi in niciun act juridic vreo explicatie concreta asupra ce inseamna asta, ci doar ca unele drepturi si libertati sunt garantate. Principiul separatiei puterii in stat a fost impus special ca autoritatile publice sa nu-si poata exercita in mod abuziv puterile asupra populatiei de pe teritoriu. Fascismul ca regim politic impune o anumita dictatura din partea autoritatilor ceea ce nu cred ca i-ar conveni cuiva sa fie abuzat. Iar promovarea ideilor nationaliste, in masura in care Romania e parte a Uniunii Europene (unde se asteapta la o colaborare economica, sociala si politica intre tarile membre) nu e deloc favorabila.

Orice tara expulzeaza imigrantii ilegali ori carora le-a expirat viza de sedere

Intrebare despre libertate pt. Dirlewanger: unde mai e libertatea mea in conditiile in care libertatea ta intervine peste a mea? Cred ca e inteleasa gresit ideea de libertate. ps. n-am inteles exemplul tau, e prea general formulat

România este stat de drept, democratic şi social, în care demnitatea omului, drepturile şi libertăţile cetăţenilor, libera dezvoltare a personalităţii umane, dreptatea şi pluralismul politic reprezintă valori supreme, în spiritul tradiţiilor democratice ale poporului român şi idealurilor Revoluţiei din decembrie 1989, şi sunt garantate.(constitutia romaniei, articolul 1, paragraful3)

[eugen88]

OOrice tara expulzeaza imigrantii ilegali ori carora le-a expirat viza de sedere

Ce viza prietene daca sunt "imigranti ilegali")))))

Odata ce le-a expirat viza sunt si ei ilegali.

Edited December 11, 2009 by Mehico

[Dirlewanger]

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p.s. nu ne compara pe noi cu politicienii.. pe mine cel putin nu ma afecteaza ce se intampla in politica..

eu am impresia ca nu stii ce inseamna nazism.. din cate stiu eu nemtii nazisti aveau ceva cu tot ce inseamna asiatici, negri, evrei samd.. nu doar cu imigranti sau musulmani.. ca sa se intample acest lucru trebuie sa treaca peste milioane de cadavre..

Imi pare rau sa-ti spun dar National- Socialismul nu incepe si nu se termina cu Hitler. National -Socialismu incepe in 1893! Hitler avea 4 anisori. NS nu s-a terminat cu Hitler si se dezvolta, chiar si ideologic, si in zilele noastre.Strasser este binecunoscut printre national-socialisti. Marea majoritate a nationalistilor autonomi din Germania sunt de orientare strasserista.

Acum parerea mea: ideal ar fi fost sa fim o tara cu un regim adevarat de dreapta, cum a fost sub Ion Antonescu, sub Franco, sub Salazar, sau in stil sud-american. Poate chiar şi o oarecare "comparatie" cu Ungaria regentului. O tara conservatoare, fara idei de lupta de clasa, industrializare, proletariat, etc. Dar istoria s-a schimbat, si am avut industrializare masiva si fortata, si elita lichidata

[Guest mada_madalin5]

Cea mai buna e tot democratia , nu o poti compara cu minic , da nu democratie ca in romania , o democratie ca in germania , o democratie combinata cu un ism de comunism , Comunismun sa aduca o pata de socialism , un spirit civic care lipseste democratiei romanesti . Nu spun ca eu nu incalc legile , dar daca ar fi niste legi bine stabilite si toti le-ar respecta as fi mai mult decat bucuros sa le respect si eu , pana atunci (niciodata in romania) sloganul "Fuck you Romania"

[Dirlewanger]

Cea mai buna e tot democratia , nu o poti compara cu minic , da nu democratie ca in romania , o democratie ca in germania , o democratie combinata cu un ism de comunism , Comunismun sa aduca o pata de socialism , un spirit civic care lipseste democratiei romanesti . Nu spun ca eu nu incalc legile , dar daca ar fi niste legi bine stabilite si toti le-ar respecta as fi mai mult decat bucuros sa le respect si eu , pana atunci (niciodata in romania) sloganul "Fuck you Romania"

Democratie cu ism de comunism? Cred ca glumesti.... In primul rand socialismul/comunismul se opune capitalismului.

Amandoua sunt anti-natinale. Prima neaga natiunile si este internationalista. A doua prin capitalism aduce globalizarea prin fluidizarea fortei de munca care distruge elementul national. In fine, prea lunga discutia.

Democratie+socialism= mare kkt!